Bryant, jego klasa i miejsce w historii

[Koelner]

chyba trzeba będzie zrobić nowe hasło w wikipedi o nazwie „paradoks wszechwiedzącego fana”.

 

lepiej jest zrobić "oderwany od rzeczywistości jajogłowy".

[Bastillon]

o k**** ludzie jeszcze probuja wykorzystac Mariona jako argument supportu. wcale nie jest cienkim bolkiem wykreowanym przez Nasha, ktore zawsze w playoffach dostawal zapalenia cipy.

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... osh01.html

 

odliczcie lata z Nashem i zobaczycie prawdziwego Mariona. najlepiej spojrzec na playoffy, bo wtedy gra sie zaczyna na powaznie.

 

00: 9 PPG 42% FG 45% TS

01: 15 PPG 37% FG 43% TS

03: 18 PPG 37% FG 47% TS

10: 9 PPG 40% FG 42% TS

 

to jest obraz Mariona, tego prawdziwego. nie powinno to nikogo dziwic biorac pod uwage ze nie potrafi wykreowac rzutu, bo jego jumper wyglada jakby dostawal ataku padaczki, a jako finisher nie potrafi skonczyc nic mocniej contestowanego.

 

tylko haterzy Nasha stworzyli z niego jakiegos legit all-stara. zabawne jest to ze ludzie potrafia ponizac K-Marta bo niby byl wykreowany przez Kidda, chociaz jego pierwszy sezon bez niego niczym nie roznil sie od tego "wykreowanego", a juz w przypadku Mariona mowi sie o wielkim supporcie.

 

syndrom Rickiego Davisa: jak nie masz argumentow to wywyzszasz scruba, o ktorym nawet bys nie pomyslal nic pozytywnego, do poziomu bdb supportu tylko po to zeby umniejszyc zaslugi jakiegos gracza (np. Dirka w tym temacie lub KG w przypadku Rickiego)

 

a co do tych bzdur ktore Van nawypisywal to wez lepiej sprawdz te dane ktore przywolujesz bo nic sie tutaj nie zgadza

[Allen35]

o k**** ludzie jeszcze probuja wykorzystac Mariona jako argument supportu. wcale nie jest cienkim bolkiem wykreowanym przez Nasha, ktore zawsze w playoffach dostawal zapalenia cipy.

Mam nadzieje ze ktorys z Adminow zajmenie sie naduzywaniem jezyka przez tego dzieciaka...

 

tylko haterzy Nasha

Nie ma jako takich haterow Nasha , sa haterzy tepych postow o nim ( ludzi piszacych bzdury o nim jako o jakim all time badz ever)

[Kubbas]

Marion to nie scorer Batalion, rebounder, uniwersalny na kilka pozycji na boisku, defensor

[Bastillon]

Marion to nie scorer Batalion, rebounder, uniwersalny na kilka pozycji na boisku, defensor

co nie zmienia faktu, ze daleko mu do all-stara.

[Kubbas]

Tak jak i Odomowi.

[Chytruz]

Odom niszczył Mariona w bezpośrednich matchupach. Vide PO 2006 i 2007.

[Kubbas]

Tak co nie zmienia faktu, że obu jest daleko do All Starów

[cthulhu]

Ale nie można obu odmówić faktu, że sięo ten poziom kiedyś ocierali.

[Mac Clane]

poza tym, że nigdy nie próbowałem odmówić faktu, to możesz mieć rację

[mrw91]

[Kubbas]

Myślę, że tu najlepiej pasuje.

 

Scoreboard Says Michael Jordan Not Greatest Of All Time

 

Posted by Chris Mathews on August 5, 2010

 

As you read the title your eyes probably bulged, your throat tightened, teeth gritted, fists clenched, and if you’re a long time Bulls fan – it’s likely you’re picking yourself off the floor right now.

 

To speak against the media induced proclamation that Michael Jeffery Jordan is not the greatest basketball player of all time is heresy. Well, I’m here to put a banner in the rafters of heresy.

 

Let’s establish some things. Jordan was by all definition a great basketball player. He possessed qualities on the court that all great players have – supreme talent, toughness, ultra competitiveness, inspiration, will, craftiness, poise under pressure, teamwork (later in his career), and killer instinct.

 

Not until Jordan came, conquered, and retired from the NBA did the overall accomplishments of other great players become null and void. However, no matter what a person accomplishes in sports, there’s an undeniable rule that can never be trumped – the scoreboard.

 

Jordan is tied 10th all time with his teammate Scottie Pippen, Milwaukee Buck / LA Laker Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and Boston Celtic Bob Cousy for 6 NBA titles. Of the players on the all time titles list, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and Magic Johnson are on par with Jordan in overall greatness.

 

Bill Russell won 11 titles in 13 seasons, the most by any player in NBA history. Scoreboard. A rebounding machine, Russell snatched 51 in one game, 49 in two others and had 12 consecutive seasons of 1,000 or more rebounds. He finished his career with an astounding 22.5 rebounding average. Uh…Scoreboard?

 

At the shooting guard position Jordan battled against three, soon to be four Hall Of Famers in his career. Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Reggie Miller, and a very young Kobe Bryant.

 

Jabbar won his 6 NBA titles while amassing 38,387 points (most all time) against the likes of Wilt Chamberlain, Bob Lanier, Wes Unseld, Bill Walton, Moses Malone, Robert Parrish, Dave Cowens, Nate Thurmond, Jack Sikma, and Spencer Haywood. All except Haywood are in the Hall Of Fame. Scoreboard.

 

Jabbar’s excellence on the court garnered him 6 MVP awards (most all time), 2 Finals MVP’s, 19 All Star selections (most all time), 10 All NBA First Team selections (tied with Jordan), and 15 overall Team selections (most all time)

 

When you examine the caliber of players Jabbar had to battle in his career – at his position, and how easily his accolades equal or in many cases surpass Jordan’s, he could very well be considered the greatest basketball player ever. Scoreboard.

 

In a four year span (1977-1980) Magic Johnson led Lansing Everett High (Mich) to a state championship, the Michigan State Spartans to a NCAA men’s basketball championship, and the LA Lakers to an NBA World Championship. Jordan never accomplished anything remotely close to that. Scoreboard.

 

Johnson averaged a double double his entire NBA career – 19.5 points and 11.2 assists. Throw in 7.2 rebounds per game from the point guard position. Along with Larry Bird, he brought the NBA back from the abyss and set the table for Jordan to feast off it’s growing popularity. To boot, he carried the Lakers to nine NBA Finals, winning 5 championships. Undeniable greatness.

 

All the aforementioned players established aspects of greatness in the game that Jordan did not. So why has Jordan been gifted the mythical title of “greatest player of all time”? Especially considering “all time” is still being written?

 

Jordan was the beneficiary of incredibly fortunate circumstances. The gift included Nike founder Phil Knight, marketing genius Sonny Vaccaro, NBA Commissioner David Stern, and ESPN.

 

Knight hired a visionary in Vaccaro who became legendary for his innovative marketing genius and being the person to sign Jordan to Nike at a time when that sort of branding was unheard of. Core branding, basketball camps (Nike, ABCD), and AAU basketball are all creations of Vaccaro. Scoreboard.

 

With visions of globalizing the NBA brand Stern was eager to capitalize on the recent boom his sport was enjoying courtesy of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. He chose Jordan as the “Air Apparent” to lead the charge. Scoreboard: Stern

 

Enter ESPN. In 1985, when Nike released the inaugural Air Jordan’s, ESPN was only 6 years old and in dire need of a programming savior. A perfect conglomerate storm was ready to wreak havoc on advertising, media, branding, and exposure with Michael Jordan serving as the lightning, thunder, wind, and rain.

 

The rest as they say is history. The NBA had another face to carry the torch Magic and Bird relit. ESPN had a poster boy to replay highlights over and over and…well, you already know. Nike became the biggest shoe company of our generation because they essentially had four levels of advertising — Themselves, Jordan, the NBA, and ESPN.

 

If you replace Michael Jordan’s fadeaway with Kareem’s graceful skyhook, or Dr. J’s surgical athleticism, or George Gervins flawless finger roll, or Wilt’s legendary power, or Russell’s fierceness – and infuse their supreme talents with that perfect storm of overexposure, branding, internet explosion, game globalization and luck – they too would appear greater than the whole sum of NBA history.

 

As it goes, when it comes to that fact, the Scoreboard reads: Michael Jordan.

[Xamel]

Klap klap klap

jako fanpost: doskonale

ale jeśli to poważny artykuł to ilość dziur to dyskfalifikuje.

Bezstronnosc i obiektywizm to pojęcia autorowi nieznane.

[Chytruz]

I'm k**** insulted wklejaniem takich artów. Ta część "ten 12 sezonów z ponad 1000 zbiórek, tamten 6 tytułów" rodem z Bravo Sport. Szanujmy się do cholery.

[rw30]

I'm k**** insulted wklejaniem takich artów. Ta część "ten 12 sezonów z ponad 1000 zbiórek, tamten 6 tytułów" rodem z Bravo Sport. Szanujmy się do cholery.

dokładnie, art żenada

 

koleś na naszym forum by został pojechany jak taczka z gnojem jakby napisał takiego posta

[Allen35]

Moze te wypociny napisal Bastek tylk osobie je przetlumaczyl na angielski i dal podpis jakiegos typka ze stanow?

[Kubbas]

Batalion już by bronił siebie w tym temacie, to raczej nie on ;]

[simon]

niezly artykul o KB i LBJ

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3664 ... kobe-works

[RappaR]

I find the hype about Kobe to be extreme. He is a great player but imo he is very overrated.

 

Remember after Shaq left and before they got Gasol we got to see Kobe lead a team with minimal talent around him. It was mainly him, Odom, and Fisher. During those 3 seasons, Kobe and the Lakers failed to make the playoffs once and lost in the first round twice. One of those first round losses was to the Suns where Amare did not play for the entire seires. That's right- the Lakers lost to the Suns without Amare in a 7 games series yet Kobe got no flack for that. It was only after they got Gasol that they made it past the first round.

 

Kobe also gets no flack for taking games off like he did in the game 6 loss in the 2008 NBA finals that gave Boston the title. (7 of 22 shooting, 22 points 3 rebounds 1 assist). No one mentioned a word about Kobe quiting in that game.

 

But anyways here are Kobe's stats in all of the NBA finals he has been in:

 

2000 NBA Finals

 

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games

Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games

 

MVP= Shaq. Shaq performs MUCH better than Bryant who shoots a pathetic 36 percent. Also Shaq was doubled covered while Kobe was left with less coverage but even then Shaq did much better.

 

2001 NBA Finals

 

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games

Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games

 

MVP= Shaq. Shaq performs MUCH better than Bryant who shoots 41%.. Also Shaq was doubled covered while Kobe was left with less coverage but even then Shaq did much better.

 

2002 NBA Finals

 

Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games

Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games

 

MVP= Shaq again. Same old story- Shaq gets doubled coverage yet he still out performs Kobe big time.

 

Total average stats for 3 championships (15 games)=

 

Shaq=36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage

Kobe=20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage

 

Tell me, who was the big player in the finals for the Lakers? Obviously Shaq. To give Kobe credit for these championships like you would give Duncan, Shaq, MJ, Hakeem etc credit for their championships is a JOKE. Shaq was BY FAR the best player on those teams period.

 

Kobe is one of the most overrated bball players of all time. I would still rank him about #16 all time, which is good but most people are hit by the hype and rank him top 10 which is very untrue.

 

Now let’s take a look at Kobe’s other 3 championship appearances, 2 of which were losses. In a few weeks from now I predict that Kobe will have another championship appearance and a championship loss to Boston.

 

 

2004 NBA finals 5 games loss

Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG

Kobe=22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

 

This was a 5 game loss to Detroit. But Shaq once again clearly outperformed Kobe who severely damaged his team with his terrible shooting percent instead of passing it to Shaq.

 

2008 NBA finals 6 games loss

Kobe= 25 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5 APG, .16 BPG, 53/131 40% FG

 

Yet another terrible shooting NBA finals by Kobe.

 

2009 NBA finals 5 games win

Kobe= 32 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 7.4 AGP, 58/135, 42% FG

 

Finally his first great NBA finals performance and it only took him 6 tries to get it! But even then he shot a low 42%.

 

 

All in all, Kobe does not perform anywhere as well in the NBA finals as people think (his playoff stats outside of the NBA finals are similar to that as well).

 

Kobe overall NBA finals stats from 6 series averaged=

 

23 PPG, 5 RPG, 5 APG, 41% FG (267/645).

 

He gets hyped a lot because he is from the huge market of LA. I was shocked when I saw voters vote that Kobe was a better Laker than Shaq. It was no comparison!

 

I could understand if he was the only one on the team but he has played for extremely talented teams. Shaq took up double coverage in the first 4 NBA finals where Kobe still struggled and in the past 2 NBA finals, while Kobe was the best on his team he had good teammates that prevented opposing teams from locking down on Kobe.

[Van]

tak z ciekawości po co wkleiłeś to powyżej ? jeżeli po to by pokazać, że haterzy Bryanta zazwyczaj nie mają nawet za bardzo pojęcia o czym piszą (Fisher grający w Lakers z Bryantem obok Odoma trzy sezony przed przyjściem Gasola czy brak krytyki za porażkę z Suns) no to moje gratulację udało ci się.